How To Stop Peep Sight Rotating?

[ElkNut1]

Any tricks out there to stop a peep sight from rotating? Any way to fix it to stay in the lined up position with string loop so I can see it well at full draw? The meta peep is tied in but after a bit of string stretch it has creeped at lease 1/2 way closed & I find myself constantly twisting it as I hold the loop from moving, it works like this for two shots then do it again. Thanks!

ElkNut1

[jmez]

Put in or take 1/2 twist out of your string.

[Pop-r]

I have gotten lucky a few time's & got it just right but i've been battling it for a year & a half this time & still feeling ur pain!

[Swede]

My peep will stay a long time in place, sometimes years, then all of a sudden the rascal is about 1/8 turn off. I have two ways to deal with it. If you are at home try what jmez says. If you notice it on a hunt, then just don't forget to twist it back before you draw. It is a nuisance anytime it happens for sure. Another thing I have done is to rotate the string loop around, so when I draw, the peep is rotated into the proper location. If your peep is not off much that is an easy solution.

[ctdad]

If you are confident your string stretch is done, you can tighten your d loop so it won't twist on the serving. Just make sure you tighten it at the right angle.

[bloodarrow]

I got a new bow this year (woo hoooo), and Ive got a few hundred shots under my belt with it and not it is starting to do the same. The guys at the shop said that after a few hundred shots or so, come back in and they would make necessary adjustments as that is common. If you have a new string or bow, Id say a readjustment is in order....either way, im sure a bow shop can help. If on a hunt, I agree, last time I got a new string on my old bow, it happened mid season, so my 'routine' was to twist my string a bit prior to drawing back....kind of a pain, but it worked....

[timberland]

If you use a loop you can tune it with that. A pro shop should have a tool that looks like an inverted pliers to really lock it down. There is also an "index nock" which is a nock set that has a trailing fin that fits between the ears of your nock when you have an arrow nocked. this locks your string from rotating as you draw. It's about $5

[Toby]

If you had the peep put in when the bow/string was fairly new and the stretch wasn't out of it, this is pretty common and frustrating. If it is 180 degrees off, then a jmez says, 1/2 twist in the string will do it. I also loosen my loop and align it with the peep and then tighten it again, but if it is off 180 degrees, get 300-400 shots on it and then get the string twisted.

[elk.addict]

All the above mentioned stuff is good, but if you're still a bit out and 1/2 twist to the string is too much of an adjustment, you can take a strand or two from one side of the peep and move it to the other and this will make a smaller rotational adjustment.

[ElkNut1]

Thanks a bunch guys! I hate messing with the loop as it's nice & straight & don't want it crooked when attaching release. I guess the best solution is to loosen string & twist/untwist, I really didn't want to do that as I do not have a press! (grin) Darn string stretch! It's a winners choice string with 200 shots or so on it, it should be about done moving? Thanks.

ElkNut1

[elk.addict]

I really didn't want to do that as I do not have a press!
ElkNut1

Have you looked into doing a homemade linear press? Beats paying $500 or more. Here's a link over on AT........ http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showthread.php?t=1321214

Later next week when I get back, I'll try to remember to post CAD drawings of my bowpress (but a welder is necessary on this one). Works really good and mine also converts to a drawboard.

[ElkNut1]

No I haven't seen it before, that's pretty darned cool, thanks!

ElkNut1

[twinkieman]

Your string loop should be in line with yhour peep, both the top knot and the bottom knot. You can rotate your loop on the string easily without loosening it. When they are lined up, the peep should come back every time. Make sure you periodically give it a visual check to insure they are in line. Also the knots on your loop HAVE to be correct. The top knot for a righthanded shooter the loop should leave the knot on the left side of the bowstring, the bottom knot HAS to exit on the rightside, so that the knots are pulling OPPOSITE each other. This ensures the sting will not rotate.

[Olydog09]

The top knot for a righthanded shooter the loop should leave the knot on the left side of the bowstring, the bottom knot HAS to exit on the rightside, so that the knots are pulling OPPOSITE each other. This ensures the sting will not rotate.

Very true.

[archery bum]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZsDiVgthbo
I used this and it worked the best out of everything else I tried. good luck it can get frustrating

[pointysticks]

you just need to get the bow pressed and put a twist in the string..i bet it never moves again.

my new winner's choice on my elite never moved from the get go. lucky..i bet i have a thousands shots already.

[elk.addict]

The top knot for a righthanded shooter the loop should leave the knot on the left side of the bowstring, the bottom knot HAS to exit on the rightside, so that the knots are pulling OPPOSITE each other. This ensures the sting will not rotate.

Interesting. I've always put my d-loop knots on opposing sides of the string, but have never considered that the top has to be on the left and bottom on the right. I'll have to try that next time I tie a new d-loop.

[pointysticks]

The top knot for a righthanded shooter the loop should leave the knot on the left side of the bowstring, the bottom knot HAS to exit on the rightside, so that the knots are pulling OPPOSITE each other. This ensures the sting will not rotate.

Interesting. I've always put my d-loop knots on opposing sides of the string, but have never considered that the top has to be on the left and bottom on the right. I'll have to try that next time I tie a new d-loop.

This won't fix Pauls issue. My peep was off from the very beginning. My shop guy figured he would need to twist it when things stretch a tad. It never moved. I presses it myself and put a twist in at the bottom. My peep was just skewed a tad. I was surprised it took a full twist.

[ctdad]

Also the knots on your loop HAVE to be correct. The top knot for a righthanded shooter the loop should leave the knot on the left side of the bowstring, the bottom knot HAS to exit on the rightside, so that the knots are pulling OPPOSITE each other. This ensures the sting will not rotate.

Why does the top knot need to be on the left and the bottom on the right for a right handed shooter? I've heard before that the knots should be opposite each other but I've never heard this specific advice?

How does this in any way affect string rotation? I've always assumed string rotation is due to stretch and I never thought a d-loop could or would affect it?

[luvelkhunt]

putting the d loop knots on opposite sides of the string will help keep the loop in place but has nothing to do with string rotation. it Is all about equal tension on the individual strands when the string is made, pre stretching a string helps a lot. some strings can spin for a long time if they are not made properly. if it is a winners choice they are guaranteed from peep rotation and serving separation for 1 year I believe, take them up on there warranty, if I was to pay for a top of the line string that's what I would expect. a good string will not have to have a couple hundred shot brake in period.

[luvelkhunt]

a quick fix for peep rotation Is to simply move one of your string silencers up or down the string a little (if they go through the string). this will push the twists in the string one way or the other, thus causing the peep to turn a little. As others have said you can also turn the loop a little and tighten it down but you may end up separating your center serving by doing this. peep rotation on the draw cycle is another issue and is a string that should be in the trash. hope this helps you out a little.

[twinkieman]

you can train your peep with your loop, I do not know why the loop has to exit the string as I stated earlier, it was in my training, and I just accepted what I was taught. I took a peep 170 degrees out of rotation this morning, and I was able to accomplish what I stated earlier.

[ElkNut1]

I would like to add that I followed Twinkemans (Marc) instructions & just shot a round of 3D with zero movement once I twisted the loop as he advised! Sweet! Thanks so much for that simple solution! (grin) For those that question it or do not think it works all I can say is it worked awesome for me & I appreciate his advice, the peep hasn't moved since! Definitely give it a try if having similar issues! Thanks!

ElkNut1

[FemoralArchery]

When using high quality strings, I set my peep after about 10-15 shots and never had movement afterwards after even a year or more of regular shooting.

I used twists in the string to adjust the position of the peep. On dual cam bows, twisting different ends of the string will give the peep different results since it's closer to one end than the other. I usually offset the twists added to one end at the other end. When you add or remove twists to the string, you are effectively making the string longer or shorter which may or may not have an effect on the overall tune of your bow based on a number of different factors.

On a single cam bow, it takes more twists (added or removed) because the string is nearly twice as long. This can also be frustrating as the string will continue to twist and settle over the top idler pulley after anywhere from two to five (usually) shots.

After I set the peep, I tie in the D-loop. I used to glue the loop to the center serving to keep it in place and had only marginal results with that. I switched to using scorpion venom string lube a couple years ago. When I tie in the loop, I add several drops of the lube to the knot and pull like heck.

I've never had a single issue with the loop or the peep when taking these steps. What works for one guy doesn't always work for everyone else, but hopefully someone finds this information useful.

[luvelkhunt]

I took a peep 170 degrees out of rotation this morning, and I was able to accomplish what I stated earlier.

not sure I grasp what you are doing to get your peep to lay true? would like to see this done. I understand moving the knots to line up with the peep. but to get it to not be to the side of the string before hooking on with your release is what I don't get.

[ElkNut1]

Mine is slightly off center in the relaxed position. It was a bit sideways at 1st but after a few shots it trained the loop & the peep to stay pretty much straight now, it was quick & simple, works great!

ElkNut1

[pointysticks]

My favorite hunting show is Western Hunter. Nate would have to physically twist his peep straight before drawing his bow. I've often considered finding him on Facebook or something and ask him why he just doesn't put a twist in the string. I guess it happens to everyone. Haha.

[twinkieman]

I took a peep 170 degrees out of rotation this morning, and I was able to accomplish what I stated earlier.

not sure I grasp what you are doing to get your peep to lay true? would like to see this done. I understand moving the knots to line up with the peep. but to get it to not be to the side of the string before hooking on with your release is what I don't get.

I used this as a gross example to show that you can use the loop to train the peep. Obviously I would normally start with the peep on the correct side of the string.

[luvelkhunt]

i finally decided to test it. Put my bow in the press and took a half of a twist out. made sure the loop knots are in line with the peep and attempted to train the peep to come back around to where it is suppose to be. well after about 60 shots and twisting the peep with my fingers before drawing i still had a peep and d loop laying at about 90 * to the side! Im glad it works for u guys but i didn't get the same results.

[ctdad]

My experience mimics luvelkhunt historically

[Wapitibob]

The problem is the string. Because the string is nothing more than twisted roving, as it expands and contracts, it twists, just like a nylon rope. If you want to eliminate peep rotation when drawing or from temperature changes, you need a string that was built with enough tension to offset the natural tendency of the string to stretch and rotate. No peep rotation is the main selling point of the custom string makes. Buy a string from one of them and your problems will go away.
Adding or removing a 1/2 twist in the top or bottom string section does nothing but set the peep alignment at brace. If your string doesn't stretch but the peep is mis aligned, then use the 1/2 twist method. Generally, 1/2 twist on top rotates the peep real close to 1/2 turn. 1/2 twist on the btm usually translates to 1/4 turn of the peep.

[N5J]

Paul,

How is your peep tied in? If it has string serving above and below it, take your fingers nails around and pull down a little in the peep serving. If you peep turns worse put it back the push up on the lower one. This can be done without twisting your string. If you have trouble moving them take a piece of string serving and loop it over the serving and use it to push or pull. You won't need to go far to see your peep start to center up.

N5J

[Coveyleader]

I hate to say it, but this is why I still use the rubber tubing. Its thicker these days and i never have a rotation issue. To be honest I've never had an issue. All these "fixes" just confirm to me that I will stick with what works. Good luck!

[ElkNut1]

N5J, I've done that very thing by sliding the serving up & down to line peep up with string. I was just wanting to see if there were other alternatives! Moving the string loop in line with the off center peep worked great! Thanks!

Coveyleader, I haven't used the black tube in years, don't you know you lose 6-7 FPS with that old school setup! (grin) Just kidding with ya!

ElkNut1