location bugles and chuckling ?

[JJ Overkill]

i used a bugle (not a location bugle) and chuckles to call in my bull. i also a cow and a calf came running in for my son with almost the same call, just reversed chuckles and bugle.

heres my question, do any of you chuckle before or after a location bugle? i am just thinking it could add some realism to your calling incase there is an elk closer than you thought. for both the times i called elk in the chuckles where really quiet. if you do use this method. what volume do you use for the chuckles?

just thinking elk again

[Swede]

I usually don't on a location bugle, but will chuckle to try and draw a known elk in.

[JohnFitzgerald]

Yes, I do add chuckles to location bugles on occasion. It can help sell the sequence during cold call setups.

[easeup]

listening in on this one

[Trophyhill]

no I do not. a single high pitch bugle with no rasp, growl, chuckle or grunt.

[JGH]

I've heard elk do it.

But that wasn't the question, was it?

[Fullabull]

I have never heard a bull chuckle who didn't think there were other elk around. I have used chuckles before a bugle to make it sound like I have cows near by in order get any other bulls in the area to react because he thinks there is competition in the area.

[WapitiTalk1]

Chuckles have their place in an elk callers arsenal. It can be the ultimate insult when in close to a bull with cows. To use one of Indian Summer's situational comparisons, it's similar to walking into a tavern and yelling 'come on over here ladies, I'm the one you want'! Chuckles are used to call cows to a bull. It's a good tactic if you can make the sounds correctly. Don't sleep on the chuckles

[jmez]

I use chuckles but not with a location bugle.

[elkmtngear]

I will do it to "mock" a bull who is screaming and chuckling at me (in response to cow calls)

And with a "breeding sequence" on a cold calling setup.

I do not use it with a location bugle.

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I use chuckles but not with a location bugle.

Bingo! Jmez nailed it! Sounds like many here don't know the difference between a location bugle and a bull bugling to his cows.

[Mikeha33]

no I do not. a single high pitch bugle with no rasp, growl, chuckle or grunt.

David, is that to sound like a less threatening smaller bull to entice a herd bull to get on the defensive, if one may be near?

Chuckles have their place in an elk callers arsenal. It can be the ultimate insult when in close to a bull with cows. To use one of Indian Summer's situational comparisons, it's similar to walking into a tavern and yelling 'come on over here ladies, I'm the one you want'! Chuckles are used to call cows to a bull. It's a good tactic if you can make the sounds correctly. Don't sleep on the chuckles

If chuckles are really used in elk speak to say what Rory said above, than why would one not want to use that thought, with a hunter doing a locator bugle, with chuckles, to entice elk (which in this sense, don't know where they are, or if they're around) to better draw one in? I understand we're just talking finding the elk, but why not use the chuckles to sound even more like bull with cows??

[flystrait]

I use both at times and I stess at times, and here is why.If I am on a ridge and come to the top of a drainage I will sit and listen for about 5 minutes, this is usually early morning when the elk are talking. If I don't hear anything I will throw out a lower volume locate, if nothing replies I will go to a longer higher pitch to get distance, and if nothing again I will throw out a full on bugle with chuckles. More times than not if elk are in the drainage and do awnser the first two I do get a responce on the third. Why would this be if I'm talking to cows why would a bull respond with chuckles of his own? Many times they have awnsered my second bugle and they added chuckles of their own. Who are they talking to me or cows? Geez I'm starting to sound like John F.

[elkmtngear]

Many times they have awnsered my second bugle and they added chuckles of their own. Who are they talking to me or cows? Geez I'm starting to sound like John F.

Probably telling the girls: "Get over here ladies, we may have to make a run for it"

[JohnFitzgerald]

Bingo! Jmez nailed it! Sounds like many here don't know the difference between a location bugle and a bull bugling to his cows.

Really? I'm glad to hear different opinions and think many of these guys know exactly what the difference is.

If a real bull can add chuckles to the end of a Location Bugle, why can't a caller? Chuckles are used on any cow, just not the ones the bull owns. By adding chuckles, the bugle turns into more of an advertising bugle but it still generally means the same thing.

[JohnFitzgerald]

I use both at times and I stess at times, and here is why.If I am on a ridge and come to the top of a drainage I will sit and listen for about 5 minutes, this is usually early morning when the elk are talking. If I don't hear anything I will throw out a lower volume locate, if nothing replies I will go to a longer higher pitch to get distance, and if nothing again I will throw out a full on bugle with chuckles. More times than not if elk are in the drainage and do awnser the first two I do get a responce on the third. Why would this be if I'm talking to cows why would a bull respond with chuckles of his own? Many times they have awnsered my second bugle and they added chuckles of their own. Who are they talking to me or cows? Geez I'm starting to sound like John F.

Hey, questions lead to more thoughts. Personal, I'd rather think things out than be told the answer.

At least you don't sound like Swede!

(John: 3 Swede: 2)

[Trophyhill]

no I do not. a single high pitch bugle with no rasp, growl, chuckle or grunt.

David, is that to sound like a less threatening smaller bull to entice a herd bull to get on the defensive, if one may be near?

Chuckles have their place in an elk callers arsenal. It can be the ultimate insult when in close to a bull with cows. To use one of Indian Summer's situational comparisons, it's similar to walking into a tavern and yelling 'come on over here ladies, I'm the one you want'! Chuckles are used to call cows to a bull. It's a good tactic if you can make the sounds correctly. Don't sleep on the chuckles

If chuckles are really used in elk speak to say what Rory said above, than why would one not want to use that thought, with a hunter doing a locator bugle, with chuckles, to entice elk (which in this sense, don't know where they are, or if they're around) to better draw one in? I understand we're just talking finding the elk, but why not use the chuckles to sound even more like bull with cows??

Michael, no not at all. I am just looking for a response. I'm letting other elk in the area know there's another bull in the neighborhood. How a bull reacts will tell us what kind of mood he's in and we have to try and read the situation correctly to make the right decisions

[flystrait]

I use both at times and I stess at times, and here is why.If I am on a ridge and come to the top of a drainage I will sit and listen for about 5 minutes, this is usually early morning when the elk are talking. If I don't hear anything I will throw out a lower volume locate, if nothing replies I will go to a longer higher pitch to get distance, and if nothing again I will throw out a full on bugle with chuckles. More times than not if elk are in the drainage and do awnser the first two I do get a responce on the third. Why would this be if I'm talking to cows why would a bull respond with chuckles of his own? Many times they have awnsered my second bugle and they added chuckles of their own. Who are they talking to me or cows? Geez I'm starting to sound like John F.

Hey, questions lead to more thoughts. Personal, I'd rather think things out than be told the answer.

At least you don't sound like Swede!

(John: 3 Swede: 2)

That's the point. There is always veriables to every situation, nothing is set in stone. I speak, elk speak, everyone speaks. I believe even Elknut will tell you the to be flexible with your calling, at least thats what I read into most of his comments. Meaning of calls used is dictated by the situation. Yes a chuckle can be just saying hi to the cows, come here, or can be a slap in the face to a bull that has cows when in tight based on his attitude maybe you woke up grumpy that morning. I beleive there are several meanings to most sounds or what we thinks it means IMO. and yes John I like how you challenge people to think outside the box!

[JohnFitzgerald]

Chuckles have their place in an elk callers arsenal. It can be the ultimate insult when in close to a bull with cows. To use one of Indian Summer's situational comparisons, it's similar to walking into a tavern and yelling 'come on over here ladies, I'm the one you want'! Chuckles are used to call cows to a bull. It's a good tactic if you can make the sounds correctly. Don't sleep on the chuckles

If chuckles are really used in elk speak to say what Rory said above, than why would one not want to use that thought, with a hunter doing a locator bugle, with chuckles, to entice elk (which in this sense, don't know where they are, or if they're around) to better draw one in? I understand we're just talking finding the elk, but why not use the chuckles to sound even more like bull with cows??

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I like your "sell it" way of thinking Michael. Location/Advertising bugles not only ask "Where are you?", they also state "I am here". That's why in the early season I may use just location bugles on a cold call setup. Inquisitive bulls like to venture in to check out the new guy on the block.

[Washington Wapiti]

Before watching you guys discuss calling over the months and breaking it down to the finer points, I just always assumed the chuckling was some weird variation on a bugle. A nuanced vocalization that only some elk did, and never went much deeper with trying to figure it out. Silly me. You know what they say about ASSuming.

[Washington Wapiti]

For the first time, I did let some nighttime location bugles rip this last season. Minus the chuckles . . . and shop vac hose. No responses, as I had anticipated just because that is how my area is. Then again, maybe they didn't like what I had to say. LOL It seems like an every other year event that they get talking. Maybe next year.

[WapitiTalk1]

Chuckles have their place in an elk callers arsenal. It can be the ultimate insult when in close to a bull with cows. To use one of Indian Summer's situational comparisons, it's similar to walking into a tavern and yelling 'come on over here ladies, I'm the one you want'! Chuckles are used to call cows to a bull. It's a good tactic if you can make the sounds correctly. Don't sleep on the chuckles

If chuckles are really used in elk speak to say what Rory said above, than why would one not want to use that thought, with a hunter doing a locator bugle, with chuckles, to entice elk (which in this sense, don't know where they are, or if they're around) to better draw one in? I understand we're just talking finding the elk, but why not use the chuckles to sound even more like bull with cows??

I believe mixing these two particular elk sounds together may or may not work to the hunter's advantage. Let's think about this. Where and when do you (or a real elk) use locator bugles? To locate or advertise from a distance, right? Chuckles on the other hand are normally a closer proximity call that a bull uses to call cows to him for various but similar reasons (hey sweetie pie, come over here so I can whisper sweet nothings in your mane; HEY little missy, I want you to come my way right now; or LADIES, let's move, it's time to bug out!). Different volume and repetitions seem to be used to communicate the level of urgency with the chuckles. My experience is that chuckles are used by themselves, or, in conjunction with a scream or herding up type bugle wich by nature, is more urgent and/or demanding. Lastly, chuckles are not that loud and in all likelihood, won't be heard from a great a distance as a locator will be.

[JohnFitzgerald]

Chuckles have their place in an elk callers arsenal. It can be the ultimate insult when in close to a bull with cows. To use one of Indian Summer's situational comparisons, it's similar to walking into a tavern and yelling 'come on over here ladies, I'm the one you want'! Chuckles are used to call cows to a bull. It's a good tactic if you can make the sounds correctly. Don't sleep on the chuckles

If chuckles are really used in elk speak to say what Rory said above, than why would one not want to use that thought, with a hunter doing a locator bugle, with chuckles, to entice elk (which in this sense, don't know where they are, or if they're around) to better draw one in? I understand we're just talking finding the elk, but why not use the chuckles to sound even more like bull with cows??

I believe mixing these two particular elk sounds together may or may not work to the hunter's advantage. Let's think about this. Where and when do you (or a real elk) use locator bugles? To locate or advertise from a distance, right? Chuckles on the other hand are normally a closer proximity call that a bull uses to call cows to him for various but similar reasons (hey sweetie pie, come over here so I can whisper sweet nothings in your mane; HEY little missy, I want you to come my way right now; or LADIES, let's move, it's time to bug out!). Different volume and repetitions seem to be used to communicate the level of urgency with the chuckles. My experience is that chuckles are used by themselves, or, in conjunction with a scream or herding up type bugle wich by nature, is more urgent and/or demanding. Lastly, chuckles are not that loud and in all likelihood, won't be heard from a great a distance as a locator will be.

So are you saying that only elk far away answer to a location bugles? I think the comon myth here is that because we as hunters use the location bugle to pick up elk at great distances, its only to be used as a great distance call. I've picked up bulls 50, 100, 200, 300, etc yards away by giving location bugles. In general, a chuckle is a bulls attempts to call cows to him. So when you use a location/advertising bugle with chuckles, you are really stating "I am here, come to me".

Just my dos centos!

[WapitiTalk1]

Chuckles have their place in an elk callers arsenal. It can be the ultimate insult when in close to a bull with cows. To use one of Indian Summer's situational comparisons, it's similar to walking into a tavern and yelling 'come on over here ladies, I'm the one you want'! Chuckles are used to call cows to a bull. It's a good tactic if you can make the sounds correctly. Don't sleep on the chuckles

If chuckles are really used in elk speak to say what Rory said above, than why would one not want to use that thought, with a hunter doing a locator bugle, with chuckles, to entice elk (which in this sense, don't know where they are, or if they're around) to better draw one in? I understand we're just talking finding the elk, but why not use the chuckles to sound even more like bull with cows??

I believe mixing these two particular elk sounds together may or may not work to the hunter's advantage. Let's think about this. Where and when do you (or a real elk) use locator bugles? To locate or advertise from a distance, right? Chuckles on the other hand are normally a closer proximity call that a bull uses to call cows to him for various but similar reasons (hey sweetie pie, come over here so I can whisper sweet nothings in your mane; HEY little missy, I want you to come my way right now; or LADIES, let's move, it's time to bug out!). Different volume and repetitions seem to be used to communicate the level of urgency with the chuckles. My experience is that chuckles are used by themselves, or, in conjunction with a scream or herding up type bugle wich by nature, is more urgent and/or demanding. Lastly, chuckles are not that loud and in all likelihood, won't be heard from a great a distance as a locator will be.

So are you saying that only elk far away answer to a location bugles? I think the comon myth here is that because we as hunters use the location bugle to pick up elk at great distances, its only to be used as a great distance call. I've picked up bulls 50, 100, 200, 300, etc yards away by giving location bugles. In general, a chuckle is a bulls attempts to call cows to him. So when you use a location/advertising bugle with chuckles, you are really stating "I am here, come to me".

Just my dos centos!

John, do you normally tag chuckles on to your location bugles? When in close to a bull with cows, do you use a location bugle or do you use screams/challenges? (insert pot stirring emoticon here)..... Just saying that they are two elk sounds that have different meanings which don't necessarily go together like Sonny and Cher when used in the "standard" format, hunting scenario (location bugle from distance).

[JohnFitzgerald]

Your not stirring the pot, we are two hunters discussing a difference of opinion.

We aren't talking about challenging a bull. We are talking about location and invitation.

Two separate sounds that don't go together? That's like saying bugles and grunts don't go together. Now Location Bugles and grunts project two different intents.

[JohnFitzgerald]

I use both at times and I stess at times, and here is why.If I am on a ridge and come to the top of a drainage I will sit and listen for about 5 minutes, this is usually early morning when the elk are talking. If I don't hear anything I will throw out a lower volume locate, if nothing replies I will go to a longer higher pitch to get distance, and if nothing again I will throw out a full on bugle with chuckles. More times than not if elk are in the drainage and do awnser the first two I do get a responce on the third. Why would this be if I'm talking to cows why would a bull respond with chuckles of his own? Many times they have awnsered my second bugle and they added chuckles of their own. Who are they talking to me or cows? Geez I'm starting to sound like John F.

Hey, questions lead to more thoughts. Personal, I'd rather think things out than be told the answer.

At least you don't sound like Swede!

(John: 3 Swede: 2)

That's the point. There is always veriables to every situation, nothing is set in stone. I speak, elk speak, everyone speaks. I believe even Elknut will tell you the to be flexible with your calling, at least thats what I read into most of his comments. Meaning of calls used is dictated by the situation. Yes a chuckle can be just saying hi to the cows, come here, or can be a slap in the face to a bull that has cows when in tight based on his attitude maybe you woke up grumpy that morning. I beleive there are several meanings to most sounds or what we thinks it means IMO. and yes John I like how you challenge people to think outside the box!

Completely agree. Intent is defined by the entire sequence. Usually accompanying sound or lack of will tell the true intent of the bull. I really like how you locate first with a lower volume. I thought I was the only one that did that! LOL!

All - I don't use chuckles a lot with my location bugles, but I have in the past and will continue to in the future when I think it sells what I'm trying portray. Once again, just my 2-cents. And worth nothing more.

jf

[WapitiTalk1]

I still subscribe that in most locator bugle situations (standard context/distance), chuckles are not a necessary or even productive part of the equation. I'm sure it's possible that in the right geographic, weather, distance situation that an elk may hear the chuckles tacked on but are you posing a threat to said bull? Don't think so.. You're "normally" too far away. Is he worried his girls are gonna run to you on the other hillside or on top of a ridge? Doubt it. I liken it to winking at a girl, walking with her boyfriend 100 yards away. Probably not gonna elicit any type of response from either

[ORG]

john when do you put them together ?

[JohnFitzgerald]

john when do you put them together ?

Story Time!

A few long years ago, I had no idea what a Location Bugle was. I knew the sound, but had no name for it other than "The Long Train Whistle". One day, in the middle of the season, me and a buddy heard a bull start bugling. He would not shut up with this bugle and occasionally he would add chuckles to the end. As we got closer, we could hear him raking the tree....pause for a little while, bugle and then repeat. I was just about to cow call when I caught movement out of the corner of my eye. A spike was on a v-line right for this bull. I sent an arrow and we packed meat the rest of the day. Never did see the whistler.

Next season, I imitated what I heard the previous year for a few cold call setups. On one, a rag horn bull came in, without any noise and stood behind my shooter starring at him. My shooter had no idea and the look on his face as the bull took off was priceless. He actually dropped down and covered his head because he thought a tree was falling on him. LMAO!

So now I know it's called a Location Bugle and still use it for cold call setups today. I've called in a few bulls over the years with it. If I'm chasing, I never add chuckles with my Location Bugle because my purpose is to find elk with it not bring them in. I have other tactics for that

Elk can get curious about the new guy that's trying to call in cows. Sell it with ground noise, raking, and other sounds that you'd expect a lone bull to make.

[ORG]

john thanks

[Willie makit]

What about chuckling alone with no bugles? Or is it always assosiated with a bugle ? Most of the videos Ive watched when the bull chuckles he generally has cows around and his posture denotes excitement. This could be due to video done near peak rut times?

Im thinking chuckling will be much more common to hear closer to rut rather than first week of September or am I way off here?

[ElkNut1]

Great discussion guys, I mean very good!! This is how we learn in the off months when we are not able to be in the field experiencing sounds such as Location Bugles & Chuckling/Chuckles. The big question is, When Do Elk Use These Sounds Themselves? We need to know this so we are at least semi accurate in its use & understanding what we're hearing from them when the occasion arises.

Location Bugles-- These can be used by both bulls & cows but are more commonly heard by bulls of all ages. What's the message being sent when used? They want to know the location of other elk, any elk! These elk are not lost, but can be separated for the time being for various reasons. -- Bulls can be on the move in hopes of finding a herd with cows or lone cows in or nearing estrus as the Rut increases. They can use a Location Bugle to track down these elk, they are not trying to call them to themselves but just in need of where they are. These are different in a sense than Advertising Bugles. Advertising Bugles are used for letting other elk know they are around & to draw other elk to their position, especially cows.

Chuckles -- These can be used by elk by both bulls & cows alike. Chuckles can be used under a variety of situations as Flystraight mentioned above. Why? Consider its various uses. It's a non-intimidation sound elk use for contact or come over here purposes. It's most commonly heard as a herd bull manages his herd or is calling a new cow to the group. It can also be used to give a direction for other elk to come their way as an invite or to get insistent that they come NOW! It's also common to hear chuckles used by satellites as they hang around herds with cows nearing estrus, they can yearn for these cows to come their way as these satellites have the same urges to breed as the herd bulls do. It doesn't just end here in its use but these are most common, this sound as are many elk sounds are situational.

One question asked was do bulls use a location bugle along with chuckling? In light of the above meanings, yes they do. Many of us have seen or heard it countless times, this doesn't mean they use it all the time but they do use the two together on occasion. When?

Chuckling can be used by bulls when really yearning for companionship especially when their testosterone levels are rapidly rising as the rut phase increases. Take a satellite who's in search of other elk especially cows but hasn't been too successful, he can get into desperate/frustrated mode as he exhibits his feelings & desires through his calling. He flat desires cows & can get very creative in his sounds of use. At this time he could use a Location type Bugle & follow it up 5 seconds later with heart felt chuckling so to speak. -- Just some additional points of interest here! (grin)

ElkNut1

[Mikeha33]

Why? Consider its various uses. It's a non-intimidation sound elk use for contact or come over here purposes. It's most commonly heard as a herd bull manages his herd or is calling a new cow to the group. It can also be used to give a direction for other elk to come their way as an invite or to get insistent that they come NOW! It's also common to hear chuckles used by satellites as they hang around herds with cows nearing estrus, they can yearn for these cows to come their way as these satellites have the same urges to breed as the herd bulls do. It doesn't just end here in its use but these are most common, this sound as are many elk sounds are situational.

One question asked was do bulls use a location bugle along with chuckling? In light of the above meanings, yes they do. Many of us have seen or heard it countless times, this doesn't mean they use it all the time but they do use the two together on occasion. When?

Chuckling can be used by bulls when really yearning for companionship especially when their testosterone levels are rapidly rising as the rut phase increases. Take a satellite who's in search of other elk especially cows but hasn't been too successful, he can get into desperate/frustrated mode as he exhibits his feelings & desires through his calling. He flat desires cows & can get very creative in his sounds of use. At this time he could use a Location type Bugle & follow it up 5 seconds later with heart felt chuckling so to speak. -- Just some additional points of interest here! (grin)

ElkNut1

Paul,
With the above being said, I understood that as chuckling could be a good tool to use if wanting to draw in a lonely cow into range, correct? So would it negatively effect a situation where a hunter was focusing on hunting a specific herd bull? Seems like if we were able to get a herd bull response from a location bugle, that was within 300 yards, that a chuckle could drastically reduce the chances of sealing the deal, by making the herd bull round up his cows and head to the next county to avoid the other "bull" (chuckling hunter)??? Is the sound deemed aggressive by herd bulls?

[msd1228]

This may be an unpopular opinion, but I think guys really over think things sometimes. I'm with flystrait and ElkNut on this one though. In my opinion, there is no such thing as "bulls never do X after doing Y", or "never combine A sound with C sound". Elk do all kinds of stuff that may not make sense to us at first glance. Just like the popular theory that "elk don't chuckle after a location bugle". I've heard single, solitary elk (usually smaller bulls) chuckle after a long high note bugle tons of times, so in my world that means its ok for hunters to do the same. There is no such thing has a hard and fast rule when dealing with wild animals - hell, even the odd elk will come in directly down wind and not bust from time to time.

Like flystrait, I'll start a new area with a lower/medium pitch single high note, then bump up to a loud single high note if no response, and then move to a long high note with chuckles if no response. I've had no response to the single notes but responses to the third bugle tons of times - like ElkNut said, I'm trying nothing more than to show an increasing level of excitement with that progression. Sometimes you need to create that excitement to get a response. I'm pretty sure elk don't think "that locate bugle had a chuckle on the end, must be a hunter". Elk react out of instinct, not logic - excitement can trigger that instinctive response. I get pretty unorthodox with some of my calling setups - I'm sure a lot of people would call some of the sequences I do absolutely stupid, but I call in a ton of bulls by doing things that other people won't do. Sometimes you need to differentiate yourself, especially in pressured areas. The real key is being so proficient with your reed that you sound absolutely authentic in every sound you make, from pitch to volume to emotion.

[JohnFitzgerald]

Well since so many were very close in their thinking and comments, I guess I will take the less traveled road and agree with everyone who posted here.

JJ Overkill - props to you for thinking outside the box and getting this discussion going.

[ElkNut1]

Paul,
With the above being said, I understood that as chuckling could be a good tool to use if wanting to draw in a lonely cow into range, correct? So would it negatively effect a situation where a hunter was focusing on hunting a specific herd bull? Seems like if we were able to get a herd bull response from a location bugle, that was within 300 yards, that a chuckle could drastically reduce the chances of sealing the deal, by making the herd bull round up his cows and head to the next county to avoid the other "bull" (chuckling hunter)??? Is the sound deemed aggressive by herd bulls?[/quote]


Mike, chuckling could be considered to pull a lone cow your way but there are better sounds available to the hunter to accomplish this that could have better results. Social cow mews, separated calf sounds or cold calling type methods can lure cows your way as you draw on their curiosity to come & check you out. I would most likely draw on one of those sounds over chuckling.

It's not so much the Location Bugle or the Chuckles that can alert or force a herd bull & his cows to move off from an intruder bull. (a hunters calls) It's where the hunter calls from or calling to elk in openings where elk can see where the source of sounds are coming from & see nothing. Maybe the hunter was spotted when calling. Other occasions the hunter does not move fast enough to get close & in a setup position. Other times hunters call their way to the herd every 50yds to 100yds alerting them of his intentions, etc. It's generally hunter error here much more so than than just elk sounds used. -- You have to appreciate that herd bulls have satellites hanging around the herd on a regular basis & these satellites can easily follow them no matter where the herd moves to. Satellites will show their interest as cows show signs of estrus within the herd, outside of that their presence is tolerated.

As a sidenote just because a bull has cows doesn't mean he will be aggressive towards outside calling. Herd bulls generally aren't real defensive if no cows in his group are not showing signs of being in estrus. Once cows show these signs of being in estrus then it can be a game changer, this is a great time to move in on a bull fast with good cover & wind in your favor then attempt to call his cows away from him with a good challenging bugle followed by a series of chuckles. This calling tells the bull you will not be pushed around & the chuckles are directed towards his cows to come over his way & consider him as a possible breeder bull.When this is done in close proximity to the herd, not 300yds away it's advantage hunter! It may be necessary to move into Level 1 of the Threat once he responds to your challenge & chuckling showing you have a cow very close by. There are other possibilities as well but this is a highly effective one to get the herd bull to "react" as he is in a defensive mode because of hot cows in the group & he knows you're too close & doesn't have time to gather the herd before this bull (you) is right on top of him!

ElkNut1

[Swede]

At least you don't sound like Swede!

You guys wish you sounded like Swede. Keep working at it, you can improve too.

[JJ Overkill]

WOW, this thread took off while ive been away. ive never been this sick before and still dealing with it.

anyways, there are some really good thoughts being posted. a few people caught me off guard. what I was thinking was if there are elk close by that you weren't aware of, the chuckles would be inviting sound and intrigue there curiosity. this wasn't meant for a know location of elk. if I know where elk are, why would a person use a location bugle? that's where different tactics come into play.

if im mistaken I think during a phone call conversation with paul he mentioned satellite bulls will sometimes chuckle to you after you bugle, saying hey where here come going us. that's where the thought came from for the most part, I personally never heard this but since others have I know my head is in the right place for new tactics for myself.

[JJ Overkill]

JJ Overkill - props to you for thinking outside the box and getting this discussion going.

thanks john, I only have one good topic a year, to bad I used it up so soon in the new year.

[WapitiTalk1]

Definitely sparked some good discussion Jeremy. Get another one going.....after V Day dinner of coarse . Hope you get to feeling better.

[JohnFitzgerald]

JJ Overkill - props to you for thinking outside the box and getting this discussion going.

thanks john, I only have one good topic a year, to bad I used it up so soon in the new year.

I just pressed the reset button, you get another.