Expanding your hunt area

[BrentLaBere]

The basic sounds an elk hunter should know, the thread sparked a thought for me on how to approach new areas I want to check out. I didnt want to hijack it so I moved it here and possibly add some other ideas other than calling.

We had talked about the difference between a locating bugle and an advertising bugle in another thread. How can we tell the difference? When should we apply the different calls?
Sometimes calling from the same mountain ridge, other callers or even other diaphragms can receive a response when the others didn't. Can this same technique be used between a simple location bugle and waiting........then hitting the same area with a advertising type bugle to produce a response? What are others thoughts?
I have talked with a few that use up to three bugles per location and make sure that the next one isn't the same as the one prior.
I want to expand my hunting area and locate elk. This can be done in the early mornings or late nights. I have a few ridge lines and basins in mind that I cant wait (56 days) until I can bugle across them. What would others do to get a response with these types of bugles?
I have a plan in mind and want to use the main bugle most hunters should know entering the field, location bugle. Just curious on what others thoughts and opinions are on this.

Now, alternative approaches.....
Cold calling with the thermals in your favor. You have maps and studied google earth like a mad man with those 'Xs' on your maps. Possible feeding to bedding areas and even spring marked out where an elk might stop for a drink/wallow.
Next one could be straining your eyes and glassing the south facing slopes, maybe the elk are in the low basin and open meadows....But you have your vantage point and can glass a very large area trying to pattern the elk.

Keep in mind you have an area you learned the year prior and understand elk movement. Bedding areas, feeding spots, with a lot of wallowing areas to choose from for when you have tired feet. No time to put boots on the ground this summer and trail cams are not an option.

[twinkieman]

Brent, I have had a lot of answers(bugles) to a lost cow sound. I am by no means an expert like Elknut1, I just employ a lot of his methods now. Some of the responses were vocal, and asElknut1 says on his Dvd series, I have also had elk run right in. Just a thought.

[Trophyhill]

A couple sounds that locate elk for me lately are estrus whines and pleading cow sounds. These are emotional sounds that can and do bring bulls in. A great alternative when everyone and their grandmother are bugling to them.

[8seconds]

I've even had yearling calfs come to a whining cow call. I usually do this when things are slow and i'm on the move and trying to kick something up.

[the weasel]

well 3 yrs. in my "new spot" and i have yet to hear a squeal or bugle or cow call..... how do you handle that??? i even had a bull raking 60-70 yrds. away and cow called and he just walked the opposite way...

i'm trying a new ridge this year (or at least go explore it, then decide)

[Heartwood]

Elknut1 mentioned these methods at his seminar. Location bugles at night ( you certianly don't want an elk to come take a look) elk less likley to just come to a location bugle. Advertizing bugles often during the day, good chance of a response from a bull that doesn't want you advertizing to his cows. Don't be afraid to bugle repeatedly from one location. One very important thing that was stressed is that using the right sound at the appropriate time is much more important than the quality of the sound. Elk make all sorts of wierd off the charts sounds in reality(not like what you see on tv)